Navigating Business Lessons Together with Lisa-Marie and Steff

In today’s episode, we are having a very real conversation about business, the kind that doesn’t often get spoken about. Because the truth is, building a business isn’t linear. It isn’t neat, predictable, or always moving forward in the way you expect, and if you’ve ever found yourself questioning your progress or wondering if you’re behind, this episode is going to feel like a breath of fresh air.

I’m joined by Steff Bolton, my business bestie and together we’re talking about the importance of community, support, and having the right people around you as you grow. Whether that’s a mentor, a coach, or simply a business bestie who just gets it.

We also share an analogy that I think will really land with you, building your business like a wardrobe, because success isn’t built from one piece. It’s layered, intentional, and created over time.This is a warm, honest, and grounding conversation about resilience, connection, and why you are not meant to do this alone.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 1:11

Hello and welcome back to episode 84. So today I thought we would have a really honest conversation in business and talk about how business sometimes isn't as linear as you think. And joining me for today's recording is my gorgeous friend and founder of the Virtual Business Collective as well as Bolton Virtual Solutions. We've got Steph. Hello.

SPEAKER_00 1:41

You're back. I'm back. I'm always going to be back. You know that.

SPEAKER_01 1:45

You're always back.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

I'm not boomerang me.

SPEAKER_01 1:47

You're back. You're back. I love it. And now Steph and I are very, very close in business and we see on the coal face how each other's businesses work as well. And I'd even go as far as saying we're business besties.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

100%. I mean, if you didn't, I'd have been offended.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

Oh no, I'm not going to do this. But I think the reason why I wanted to have this conversation and have Steph in this podcast today is because in business it can be a really, really lonely place when you're building a business. And it's really important to build a community or certainly a very strong group of women around you that get you that understand. And Steph has been there for the last two months with some huge challenges that we've gone through in our business. And I wanted to talk through the honest conversations that we should all be having in business. But before I do that, now Steph thought that I could go to IKEA last night. And she was adamant that I would come out with a candle and a plant, weren't you? 100%.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

Yeah. I mean, I didn't have any faith in you that you were only going in for your fixtures and fit-ins. And I told you that up front. But you did it. I did. And you know why? It's because I wasn't there with being your bad influence. Because I was busy.

SPEAKER_01 3:35

So there's a story behind this. We're not just going to talk about my ridiculously bad shopping habits at IKEA. Because IKEA is a place that me and Steph will go for a little walk around. Yeah. And normally when you're moving house. Normally when I'm moving house, which is this week. This week as well. I'm moving house on Friday. So as you're listening to this, the removal trucks are pulling up. They are putting everything in the vans and I've got your dog. Auntie Steffi has got Bella for the for the couple of days. Yeah. However, I wanted to talk to you about something that came about in IKEA on Tuesday evening. So I ordered a set of wardrobes and I thought, brilliant, that's done. Dusted, all taken care of. The wardrobes came and didn't have any fixtures or fittings. It didn't have an internal rail. And I thought, okay, well, I've got the team coming in, they're going to be building them. And there's actually nothing to hold the wardrobes together or certainly close the doors. So effectively, I thought I'd done my job, but I'd bought a shell. And I wanted to reframe this and think about business. And this has got us talking this morning, hasn't it, Steph?

SPEAKER_00 5:01

Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 5:02

That we see a lot of people across our industries. So obviously, I coach and mentor anyone in the creative space, and Steph coach and mentors anyone in the VA space. Don't you, Steph?

SPEAKER_00 5:17

Yeah, only just recently, but yes.

SPEAKER_01 5:19

A beautiful birth new business. And we were talking about the actual building of a business. And Tuesday night, whilst I was in the Q and IKEA, I had to leave the queue, not only to film content, but Steph would be very versed in this and know that it's a drop of a hat, we just got to get the phone out and record. Yeah. Don't we? Yeah. And uh it came to me that actually, what if we looked at our businesses as you know, build building a whole wardrobe? And if you are the type of person that I'm just gonna focus on a little tiny, so let's say the screws, the screws and the marketing. I'm just gonna focus on the marketing, I'm just gonna get the screws. Then I'm gonna focus on just getting that one client, that's the shelf. Then I'm gonna focus on downloading a freebie download, that's the rail. We're forever gonna be focusing on a tiny little individual piece rather than looking at the whole build and the whole section of that wardrobe in terms of the whole business. And what I'm trying to get at is so many people just focus on one tiny little thing, such as the screws, the shelf, the rail, i.e., the client, a bit of marketing. How do I get myself out there? They don't actually focus on what it takes to build the whole business. How do you find this in your industry?

SPEAKER_00 6:50

So while you were in IKEA, I was actually running a free networking event for my new VA coaching community, which was epic, by the way. I have to say it was amazing. And um one of the things that I brought up in conversation was that clients are sometimes asking their VAs for advice on strategy, and I asked for their thoughts and their experiences and things like that with that happening to them. And one of the ladies said that she'd been asked for strategy advice as a VA. And I was like, How did you like, did you did you help with it? Did you bat them away? Did you feel comfortable with it? And she was like, I didn't feel comfortable, but I helped as much as I could. And I was like, Well, that's where your boundaries need to come into play, because you know, you've like, if you're not comfortable doing something, you have to say no. But I said also strategy is not for everyone, which is which is fine, but you've also got to have a strategy where you've got all of these moving parts, which do all move at different times and at different speeds, but a strategy can feel quite rigid, I suppose, to some people, like it's too structured, and but you have got to have that bit of flexibility there so that if something happens, you can move with it. But these people that I was speaking to last night didn't seem to have a strategy, they didn't seem to have a marketing strategy, a co a content strategy, um, a sales strategy, even. And I was like, this is why VAs need coaches and mentors, because you can have all the skills to be a VA, for example, but if you don't know then how to go and package those skills into offers, if you don't then know how to create your branding, and I'm not just talking about the pretty fonts and colours and logos, by the way, but if you don't then know how to go and create all of the bits, all of the foundations and the basics of your business that's brand new, you can't then build on that.

SPEAKER_01 9:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:07

And I know you always talk about that 1%, don't you? The 1% shift, which is amazing, but you can't focus on that 1% until you've got those foundations in place. So I think that's something that's really important to remember is that you've got to have the the foundations like your messaging, your branding, your strategy, all of that kind of stuff in place before you can then focus on that 1% every day. Because I know you you're always banging on at me about the 1%, aren't you? I do. It's um broken it's like your mantra.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

I love it. And I think it's so it's so true. I meet so many business owners that they're building parts of the wardrobe. They're not thinking about the whole wardrobe build. And it's so important that actually in business, you're not just, oh, I'm just gonna focus on getting myself out there and then I'm gonna come back. I'm just gonna focus on getting that one or two clients and then I'm gonna come back. It's actually looking at the underpinning of the foundations of your business, looking at the financial roadmap, looking at the actual roadmap of the vision and goals, putting all of that in place, a structured service suite that's gonna feed into your forecast and your financial. Sometimes people don't even think of that. But then how are you showing up? What are you selling, and how are you working into again? That is a vital piece. That that's most probably like the screws of the wardrobe. You don't you don't have that? You're your your business is only gonna go so far before it hits a brick wall. So I I was standing in this queue and I had to leave the queue to film the content.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

See what happens when I'm not supervising you, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

This is exactly what happens when Steph doesn't come to IKEA. It's like a it's like an arrive, but I had to film the content, I then had to go to the bed department to sit on a bed to write the content out with many people coming up and going, Are you right there? Can I help you? I was like, No, I'm absolutely fine. I've just got an idea, I'm putting it down in my phone. I then posted it and I went back and stood in the queue to finish up off my wardrobe query. But the moment landed for me because so many business owners are not building properly. And I know it's my mission and I know it's your mission to support as many women as possible build businesses so that they can build them right. Um, and I think you know, having that on honest conversation with yourself as well as how am I building my business? What does my business look like? Actually, am I thinking about something so micro rather than thinking about the whole framework? Yeah, because it's also a journey. It you know, things can't just happen overnight. Things don't just happen overnight. No, it's about understanding yes, what needs to get built and put in place, but also how do you go through the journey of the first year? What needs to what key milestones need to happen? Yeah and then when you get there, you know, I also meet a lot of business owners that say, Oh, well, I'm on consistent now, you know, nine, 10k months, I've done it, I'm fine. But it's a completely new up level to get over that point as well. And that's where a lot of people hit their ceiling mark sometimes. So I think it's the benefits of having a coach and mentor to support you through the build is absolutely credible, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 12:39

Oh yeah, 100%. I mean, I've had a a business coach all the way through my business journey, and I don't think I don't think I'd feel comfortable not having that person to lean on and ask for advice from, ask for their expertise, get them to answer my questions, like or or things I don't know because you don't know what you don't know. So so that you've got to you've got to have someone that you can speak to to help you along that journey, because if you're just trying to muddle through on your own, I think that's probably I mean, it can be done, but it's probably a much harder journey than it would be without having a coach by your side, I think.

SPEAKER_01 13:28

I think the benefits are, you know, I know certainly we offer it as coach and mentors, and I'm sure there'll be other coach mentors that will offer this, but you know, having someone that you can springboard ideas off during the week in between the calls are huge because you know, having someone that's walked that path to say, Oh, by the way, how would you do it like this? Or this is just cropped up, what do you think about this? That's absolutely worth its weight in gold. And the proximity to have someone to talk business with, especially your inner circle, your inner business circle, like we said. Yeah, that's just that's just amazing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Yeah. Priceless. Absolutely priceless. I think it's if it's something that you can do, I think it's always worth like upgrading to to have that extra support with with your coach because trying to get if you have like a one-hour call a week or a fortnight or whatever it might be, I think trying to squeeze in all of your questions and things that have come up into that one hour, it's just not like you're not gonna get the deepest answers that you possibly can.

SPEAKER_01 14:38

You're not gonna get the the the benefits something.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

I think it's about you know, some people can work at that fortnightly pace and are very happy. But I think if you're the type of person that really values that personal growth, you're gonna make your money back.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 14:55

And it's about building correctly.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Yeah, yeah. It's it's like you said with the wardrobe. I mean, if you if you've got a screw missing, it's gonna fall apart at some point. So, and and it's the same with your business. If you miss one of the vital parts, it's su it's gonna fall apart somewhere down the line, unfortunately. So I do think it's I that's a really good analogy, actually. You've got you're quite clever, aren't you?

SPEAKER_01 15:23

I'd like to give it to myself, thank you very much. I thought about it and thought this is a great one. I'm gonna use this one. I love it.

unknown 15:31

Love it.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

I mean, on a side note, I can't believe you bought an Ikea wardrobe expecting all the bits to come with it. Like everyone knows that Ikea are notorious for not giving you ever anything with a wardrobe. What was that do it? You must have done it in your sleep.

SPEAKER_01 15:48

That's the only only reason there could be a purchase, a nighttime purchase.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

So obviously, moving on from building, it's really important that when we are building our businesses, we're also building our businesses with the right people around us. And I think both of us have been in each other's worlds now for, you know, two and a half years. And we've seen so many situations over those two and a half years. Just a few.

unknown 16:19

Just a few.

SPEAKER_01 16:21

And we've been there for each other so much. And I think this is the message to to any woman out there that's feeling really on her own is to really find your business connections. And we found each other through our coachmen. Yeah. I mean that's that's what we're bringing together. Certainly, you know, with the community that you're building, the community I'm building, is for women that they're not on their own, that they can come together. How important is that?

SPEAKER_00 16:50

Massively. Like I I didn't go to that event that December thinking, oh, I'm gonna walk out with a new best mate tonight. Like it we just so happened to sit next to each other, and then we realised that we lived 20 minutes away from each other and it was game over from there, I suppose, wasn't it? But I always say finding your tribe is just one of the most important things you can do as a woman in business. And and you can do it in so many different ways, like you don't have to do it at business events, it could be a networking event, it could be it could be anything, it could be that you've um you have a chat with someone about a collaboration and they turn into they turn into one of your closest friends in business.

SPEAKER_01 17:31

So finding your business bestie, how how vital is it, Steph?

SPEAKER_00 17:37

I don't think I can tell you how how vital it is. So you know when you like if you've got I know people are gonna relate to this because people do all the time when I say it, but when you talk to your husband or your best friend or whatever, and they're not a business owner, and you're talking about what's happened in your business and they get that vacant look in their face.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Yeah, they don't get it.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Yeah, that's that's what you don't get with your business bestie.

unknown 18:03

Yeah, absolutely, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

And it's just knowing that they get it, and they might not be in the same industry as you, they might not do the same work as you, but I know I can come to you and talk to you about VA stuff that's going on, and vice versa, you can come and talk to me about what's going on in your world, and it's just so relieving and removes so much frustration that someone just understands how you're feeling, and because they understand how you're feeling, you're gonna get better advice from them as well. I think because like if I was to speak to my husband about business stuff, he'd probably tell me to do the worst thing that I could possibly do. Crack it all in because he's a bit of a hothead. So asking him for advice, I'm not gonna get what I need, yeah, like all the time. So just being able to speak to someone who understands who gets it, and also it's having that person so that you don't feel lonely or those people, it's not just necessarily one person, but yeah, but just so you don't it takes away that feeling of loneliness, like and that's something that's quite common as a VA.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:21

Because you're sat there, you're doing you're just doing the work, you're not necessarily talking to your clients all the time. Yeah. Um so it can be quite I mean, I love the peace and quiet at the moment because after coming out of corporate last year, yeah, I I love sitting in my shoffice just with a bit of music on low and I've just chilling, getting the work done, not having to talk to someone every five minutes. Um so so yeah, I mean that's nice, but it can feel lonely or like when you feel like you need to talk to someone about whatever it might be.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Um so yeah, having those people around you is just I think it's also that second pair of eyes in your business, the second just from the outside. Seeing it from the outside, because I think when we're also in our own businesses, sometimes we get so tunnel visioned. And I know with designers and anyone in the creative industry, people can procrastinate quite a lot. And when you are working on creative work, you know, when you're working on mood boards, when you're working on any creative direction, it's you can question yourself, you can go into spiral moments. And it's so important to have those connections around you to say, look, or or even that coach and mental to think, you know, look, this is how I'm doing it. Is what what do you think? Yeah. Can I improve on this? Or this has happened. Um and I think certainly the connections that I've made over the last two to two and a half years have been uh some of the I would say most amazing connections that I've made, certainly in my business in the last 16 years, because it's women that really, really understand what you're going through. And you know, obviously, I'll give you an example and situation. So several months ago, I went to sponsor an event. And um I don't sponsor events lightly because as a business owner, I'm very cautious about brand perception, where the brand goes.

SPEAKER_00 21:35

Yeah, and it's got very strategic as well, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, and I think it's really important to understand as business owners, if you are putting yourself out there, where you're putting yourself out there and connecting with. So um from this, obviously um something happened where I had to retract the sponsorship and actually walk away from that particular brand because the brand association, um, due to the parameters that were put in place didn't align anymore. And had I been on my own, I would have constantly been going back and forth. Is this right? Is this right? Is this right? But the fact that I had a very tight-knit uh group around me, business associates, friends, coaches, mentors. I was able to give the whole picture of the scenario, really explain what had happened, and the unanimous decision was it is 100% not right for the brand. It cannot you cannot put yourself through that. So that is just one example of business that we go through on a daily basis where that something can crop up and you can very much lean into your tribe to to uh to ask them how things are going.

SPEAKER_00 23:00

Yeah, and I think like with that particular example, I didn't even know that you'd sponsored that um that thing. So it wasn't until You decided that you wanted out that um you spoke to me about it, and I was like, absolutely, it sounds like the right thing to do for your business. So, and and that's me coming in from a perspective of of not knowing that was even happening, you know. So it's not like I I would have had any inside information or you know, anything like that. So I had no influence on on what advice I was giving. Um, but yeah, I think it's just it's it's those unexpected things, isn't it, that crop up all the time in business. There's always something going on, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing, um, because it is a roller coaster ride. But if you haven't got those people to to lean on, like I say, to pick you up off the floor when you're feeling down, um, to celebrate with you as well, because and that's another thing is that the celebrations that you can get with your people are just like on another level.

SPEAKER_01 24:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

Um because they really know and care. Because they know how much it would mean to them, so they understand how much it means to you, if that makes sense. Whereas if you're talking to someone who's not in business, they're like, oh great, that sounds wicked. Well done. Yeah, you can't. Like, and that and that's it, that's the celebration. But you can like you can get bottles popping and all sorts around here.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Champagne glasses clinking.

SPEAKER_00 24:41

Yeah, so so no, you need to you definitely need to find your people.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

I think the moral of the story is you you cannot do business alone. No. Because business is not linear. So, like, if we go back to the wardrobe again with the building, you are not gonna build in like that there is no instruction booklet for for building. And that is why when you have a coach and mentor that has walked your path, they are gonna be your instruction booklet because they are gonna show you the toolkits, the methodologies, the frameworks, but apply it to you and your vision and your goal. Yeah. And then building a group of women around you that get you, yeah, that support you through situations such as you know, from people turning around and deciding you're not the coach and mentor for me, I don't really like you. Parameters being put in place with sponsorships, yeah. Moving the goalposts, moving the goalposts, um, people deciding that do you know what I'm not gonna pay you? I've paid enough, I'm done, or breaking financial contractual agreements, that's another thing. So when you go through this as a business owner, because you will go through these things, yeah, and it's also very easy to take those things personally, yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 26:02

And I know I've said to you in the past do not take this personally, it's just a blip, and obviously, everyone's gonna have blips in their business. That's I've had them in mine. I know any everyone I know in business has had blips, yeah. It happens, but when you put the ratio side by side of the blips to the good stuff, they're always the good stuff's always gonna outweigh the bad, so you just need to remind yourself of that, and and it's ebb and flow in business, isn't it? Of course it is, of course it is, isn't you know?

SPEAKER_01 26:40

I think people also the external output of what we put out there, you know, there is a lot of glossy material out there, and people don't have these honest conversations, and I think people can look at people and go, well, it's all right for her, she's doing X, Y, and Z, but they don't see that you get kicked in the proverbial daily business. No, but that's part of being a business owner, yeah, and that's why being a business owner is made for a certain type of person.

SPEAKER_00 27:11

I've always said you've got to be a bit mad to be a business owner.

unknown 27:14

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

We wouldn't be friends if we weren't, but it's it's a different kind of strength as well, I think, and resilience.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

I think it's it comes it comes from a place of that deep serve and that deep why and that deep purpose, but also knowing that, like you say, the good days are the real good days, yeah, and you are gonna have blips. And my coach and mentor, one of them said to me, the the growing pains are where the magic happens. Yes. And if I could bottle up the last eight weeks um of all the blips that I've had in business, actually um they've they've taught me some big lessons. Yeah, and I look at it and think, okay, well, you go into audit, but what needs to be stronger in the business?

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Yeah, how can we stop that happening again? Absolutely. What have I learned from this? Yeah, you know, what what's what have I what what has it changed about me so that that doesn't happen again? Or like I don't give people the opportunity to do that to me again because this is putting your your barriers up a bit sometimes as well, isn't it? That you've got to be able to do it because some people just can't. Yeah, they find it hard to say no, yeah, um, which I don't.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

I'm getting a lot better, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:43

You are.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

I'm getting a lot better, yeah. And I think it's this is what we teach the women that we work with is you know how to build boundary, feel-good businesses that protect your own sanity and protect your own um space at the end of the day as well, yeah, and know that it's actually really okay to say no, but also intuitively feel it in your body.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Yeah, like feel it in your body. Always follow your gut instinct, yeah. Always. I actually said to the ladies on the networking call the other night that no is the shortest and most powerful word that you'll ever use in your business, and it feels really good when you say it. Yeah, um, it might not at first, but the more you get used to saying it, it's definitely one of the best feelings because you know that you're back in yourself and you don't need the okay from someone else or the permission to say it. You can you're you're your own business owner, so you you're your own person, you can do what you want, it's your business. So so yeah, you've you've got to you've got to be able to do that, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 29:51

I think it's important that also in business that you always go inward and look at your own self-reflection as well when these things happen, and that's that's another thing that I've been looking at. Okay, so how you know, if the buck stops with me, how how do I change this? How you know, I can't just because something hasn't worked or something I I you can't go around pointing the finger of blame, but and and as much as it's hurtful when things happen to you in business by others, um, you think, okay, actually, what are my morals and values? What do I need to stand by and solidify? But actually, how do I make this stronger? And what do I potentially need to change myself? Yeah. Um, and I think it's the power of being able to understand self-audit in business is something incredible as well, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Yeah, definitely. And that's something that I've had to learn how to do because I was taking everything personally at the beginning, um, as I'm sure you remember. But now I'm like, okay, that's fine, let's just move along.

unknown 31:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

Like, whatever. Whatever, Trevor. Whatever, Trevor. Yeah, you've got to be able to understand what you can do yourself to not only to stop it happening again, but to protect yourself as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

And I think, right, scary to statistic. We are a third of the way through the year. We've got two thirds left on the year.

SPEAKER_00 31:31

Just crazy. You're going to mention the C word. Oh my god, I was just about to say. No.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

Can we mention the C word?

SPEAKER_00 31:37

No, it's not allowed until after my birthday.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Oh, that's September. No, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

No, that's why it's not allowed until after my birthday.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Honestly, she's so mean. Absolutely not. She's wearing, for those of you that are just on audio, she's wearing a t-shirt today, saying absolutely not. Um so, with it being a third of the way through the year, and I'm not going to mention the C word. Thanks. Um, that come with jingle bell things. See? Um, I want to take this moment to say at the beginning of the year, so many people set so many intentions in their business. And actually, if you are still sitting here four months down the line and thinking, actually, I haven't quite done those things that I set out, and maybe you're still recycling 2025 habits, then this could be a really good opportunity to reach out to someone that you know you want to make a change in your business and look at how you make that happen. Um, because I can bet your bottom dollar you're gonna be sitting here in the next four months. Not you.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

I was gonna say. Yeah. I've come on in leaks and bounds this year, I'll have, you know.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

This business has been opening up mind center. But you, the listener, like if you're sitting listening to this thinking, do you know what? I haven't actually done what I've said I wanted to set out to do, and I'm really thinking about I want to build this business seriously, and I really need to get to December knowing that I've made great progress and I want to be celebrating those milestones, then this is your next chapter, this is where it starts. So I want you to think about who do you want to reach out to, whether it's a coach and mentor in the creator space, whether it's a coach and mentor in the VA space. You know, me and Steph, our inboxes are always open to talk to loads of different women, and we are here to support you through that journey, that that build to build the whole thing out.

SPEAKER_00 33:41

Yeah, yeah, because we've been there, we've done it, we've got the t-shirts, and have got the grey hairs to prove it. Talk for yourself, okay. Jesus, I've got to have ball patches as well soon. I just love it. Um so so yeah, I'm I'm always there to to answer questions and and just to just to lean on because sometimes that's all you need.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

Yeah. You just need a friend a friendly message. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

I'm always up for a chat. Yeah. You'll always get a chat out of me.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

I love it. I love it when I chat to you. Um, thank you so much for coming into the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

Thank you for the impromptu, you know, get together and messaging me when I was on my way, telling me we're doing a podcast episode. But you know, it just shows how fresh we are. Absolutely that we can just riff it.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

I love it. I think it's also speaking from the heart and having these conversations and wanting more women to understand the build, the connection, the conversation.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Yeah, it's a lot to contend with, um, but you don't have to do it on your own.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

No, there's always someone there.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Yeah, and it's normally one of us.

unknown 34:53

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 34:53

Or both if you're lucky.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Never know. Um, thank you so much for tuning in today. And if you have loved today's episode, then please tag and share us. Um, get in touch. The Instagram details will be in the show notes. And as always, it's been an absolute pleasure to share this lovely podcast with you. And we will be back next week with another Powerful Packed podcast.